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Traveller-digest      Monday, November 1 1999      Volume 1999 : Number 1292<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
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Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Re: 'general war' 5FFW [long]<BR>
Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1291<BR>
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Illegal Alien Contact<BR>
Re: A Day of Peace<BR>
Re: Niven Books<BR>
Re:[OT] One Day in Peace 2<BR>
Re:  UFO contact illegal?<BR>
Re: Taxation (off topic then back on topic)<BR>
Re: UFO contact illegal?<BR>
Re: triste dia<BR>
Re: Taxation (off topic then back on topic)<BR>
[ot] One Day in Peace<BR>
Outdated Science Fiction (was: Re: A Day of Peace)<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:50:09 +1300<BR>
From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
On 31 Oct 99, at 1:04, Jesse DeGraff wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Ahhh, but if you have something like that, you end up with a CommBloc<BR>
> nation ;) Jesse<BR>
<BR>
AFIAK Japan has a near total ban on firearms, and England is coming <BR>
close, so I'd say not necessarily (though a 1984 style police state for <BR>
sure).<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz><BR>
Wellington, New Zealand<BR>
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A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:50:09 +1300<BR>
From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: 'general war' 5FFW [long]<BR>
<BR>
On 31 Oct 99, at 9:46, Bruce Johnson wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Dan Roseberry wrote:<BR>
<BR>
[Snip]<BR>
 <BR>
> > They decide to act. Sometime around 1107, every major power (Zhodani,<BR>
> > Vargr(s), Aslan, Solomani, Hivers, and the K'kree) prepares to launch a<BR>
> > simultaneous attack on the 3I with the objective of destroying it<BR>
> > forever.<BR>
<BR>
[Big Snip]<BR>
<BR>
> Finally, we have the end result, in the improbable event that what you're<BR>
> describing does happen...what next? Each of these groups carve up the<BR>
> remains of the 3I for themselves?<BR>
> <BR>
> Go play Diplomacy a half dozen times or so to get a feel of what that kind<BR>
> of conflict would be like...;-)<BR>
<BR>
Or have a look at the 30 years war.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz><BR>
Wellington, New Zealand<BR>
<BR>
A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 15:57:59 -0800<BR>
From: Jesse DeGraff <jdegraff@pacbell.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
<BR>
If I ever win the California State Lottery Rob, I'm buying you a new<BR>
PowerMac :)<BR>
<BR>
Jesse<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>Not enough memory.<BR>
><BR>
>Call me a dinosaur, but I resolutely refuse to buy a new computer just to<BR>
>surf the web. My LC III does quite nicely for everything I need, so I see<BR>
>no need to upgrade. Andy's web site may be the cat's pajames, but I refuse<BR>
>to believe it's worth several thousand dollars for a new computer system<BR>
>(plus upgrading all my software to run on the new computer system).<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:11:50 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
<BR>
>Call me a dinosaur, but I resolutely refuse to buy a new computer just to<BR>
>surf the web. My LC III does quite nicely for everything I need, so I see<BR>
>no need to upgrade. Andy's web site may be the cat's pajames, but I refuse<BR>
>to believe it's worth several thousand dollars for a new computer system<BR>
>(plus upgrading all my software to run on the new computer system).<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
You're obviously not a PC gamer then..:)  actually, I am not impressed with<BR>
todays' computers.  I own a Pentium-II 400Mhz machine with 128megs ram and<BR>
still have to watch my resources.  I use Memturbo which helps a lot but it<BR>
doesn't do any good when GDI and USER resources drop..(far as I know only a<BR>
reboot fixes that as those two are STILL 16-bit holdovers).<BR>
<BR>
Its a Dell machine and its had its share of troubles.  8 hours after it<BR>
arrived, the 4meg PCI video card died.  Although I had next business day<BR>
warranty on it, it took over 2 weeks for the repairman to come and fix it.<BR>
Now, the keyboard likes to vanish.  I've no idea what causes this as it is<BR>
very infrequent but may be a combination of running QmodemPro, ICQ and<BR>
WinAmp at the same time.  Unplugging the keyboard and plugging it back in is<BR>
the only fix short of a reboot.<BR>
<BR>
Now when I had my 286, I never had all these problems.  And it was quite<BR>
rare when the machine crashed (and always MY fault for doing something ODD).<BR>
I very relunctantly made the move to Windows when less and less cool stuff<BR>
was written for DOS.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:13:13 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
<BR>
BTW, I have a friend who has an Apple//gs, is there any way he can surf the<BR>
web on this machine?<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
 New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 19:09:48 -0500<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
<BR>
At 07:11 PM 11/1/99 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
>You're obviously not a PC gamer then..:)  actually, I am not impressed with<BR>
>todays' computers.  I own a Pentium-II 400Mhz machine with 128megs ram and<BR>
>still have to watch my resources.  I use Memturbo which helps a lot but it<BR>
>doesn't do any good when GDI and USER resources drop..(far as I know only a<BR>
>reboot fixes that as those two are STILL 16-bit holdovers).<BR>
Intersting... Are you using 9x or NT?<BR>
<BR>
I'm currently running NT on a K63-450 with 128MB RAM and I'm not having any <BR>
problems unless I pull up 3d Studio Max R3.  For that, I need to close most <BR>
of the other progs to get decent speed....<BR>
<BR>
>Its a Dell machine and its had its share of troubles.  8 hours after it<BR>
>arrived, the 4meg PCI video card died.  Although I had next business day<BR>
>warranty on it, it took over 2 weeks for the repairman to come and fix it.<BR>
>Now, the keyboard likes to vanish.  I've no idea what causes this as it is<BR>
>very infrequent but may be a combination of running QmodemPro, ICQ and<BR>
>WinAmp at the same time.  Unplugging the keyboard and plugging it back in is<BR>
>the only fix short of a reboot.<BR>
<BR>
Sounds like you got a lemon... My dad has a high-end Dell and swears by it. <BR>
I think it's his 4th Dell in a row (over the last few years.  Upgrades, not <BR>
failures).  At this point he buys nothing but Dell.<BR>
<BR>
           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
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                          defend to the death your right to say it."<BR>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 19:10:25 -0500<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
<BR>
At 07:13 PM 11/1/99 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
>BTW, I have a friend who has an Apple//gs, is there any way he can surf the<BR>
>web on this machine?<BR>
<BR>
If he uses it to prop up the table he has his other computer on? :)<BR>
<BR>
           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
jg42@cornell.edu        "I do not agree with a word you say, but I will<BR>
                          defend to the death your right to say it."<BR>
                                              -- Francois Marie Voltaire<BR>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 16:08:19 -0800<BR>
From: Jesse DeGraff <jdegraff@pacbell.net><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
I was referring to the border guards, movement papers, etc. that IIRC had<BR>
been mentioned vs. an open border allowing firearms to cross state lines.<BR>
Some states (most?  all?  I don't know for sure) already have laws<BR>
preventing import of firearms from another state.<BR>
Jesse<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
On 31 Oct 99, at 1:04, Jesse DeGraff wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Ahhh, but if you have something like that, you end up with a CommBloc<BR>
> nation ;) Jesse<BR>
<BR>
AFIAK Japan has a near total ban on firearms, and England is coming<BR>
close, so I'd say not necessarily (though a 1984 style police state for<BR>
sure).<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz><BR>
Wellington, New Zealand<BR>
<BR>
A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 16:17:39 PST<BR>
From: "Gary Miles" <garyglennmiles@hotmail.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1291<BR>
<BR>
David Spaketh Thusly:<BR>
<BR>
>Andrew said:<BR>
> >Up till now<BR>
> >the name of the Terran ship that made first contact with Vilani has been<BR>
> >given as the Starleaper I. As far as I can tell this name only appears in <BR>
>DGP<BR>
> >material, which puts it very firmly into the forbidden canon...<BR>
><BR>
>There was a later Challenge scenario that dealt with the PCs meeting a <BR>
>female<BR>
>crewmember from that first contact ship. Supposedly she had gone through a<BR>
>spatial misjump.<BR>
><BR>
>For anyone at home with their references, was the first contact ship given <BR>
>a<BR>
>name in the Challenge article?<BR>
<BR>
Got it right here next to me, in Challenge 53. (One of two I bought from Jay <BR>
LaRosee to fill holes in my Challenge collection. THANKS JAY!)<BR>
<BR>
The article/adventure is called "Strider Incident", and involves PC contact <BR>
with a woman who may or may not be Lorette Strider, Captain of the <BR>
"Starleaper One", the joint Space Force/NASA/UNSCA interstellar mission to <BR>
Barnard's Star in 2094.<BR>
<BR>
So, apparently, "Starleaper One" is canonical as the First Contact ship.<BR>
<BR>
Gary<BR>
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:20:39 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Anthony Jackson <ajackson@molly.iii.com><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
Jesse DeGraff writes:<BR>
> I was referring to the border guards, movement papers, etc. that IIRC had<BR>
> been mentioned vs. an open border allowing firearms to cross state lines.<BR>
> Some states (most?  all?  I don't know for sure) already have laws<BR>
> preventing import of firearms from another state.<BR>
> Jesse<BR>
<BR>
Hm...you sure that's a state law?  That sounds suspiciously like something that falls under the jurisdiction of the federal government.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 16:44:45 -0800<BR>
From: Jesse DeGraff <jdegraff@pacbell.net><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
Like I said, I'm not sure.  I know for instance that I can't go to Nevada<BR>
and pick up a mil-style semi auto and import it into CA since CA is so<BR>
uptight about said weapons type.  I'm not really sure about nationally, but<BR>
I think you can bring something in like a "normal" hunting rifle or shotgun,<BR>
but you'd still have to submit to the background check.  Wonder what happens<BR>
if you fail and you just moved here from another state....D'OH!!!<BR>
<BR>
All in all, I really despise California's gun laws :(<BR>
<BR>
Jesse<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>Hm...you sure that's a state law?  That sounds suspiciously like something<BR>
that falls under the jurisdiction of the federal government.<BR>
><BR>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 19:51:43 -0500<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
Subject: Illegal Alien Contact<BR>
<BR>
I've glanced through the CFR on-line, and the regulation the article <BR>
referenced (incorrectly, I must say), 14CFR1211 is listed as <BR>
"reserved."  I've looked through other applicable portions of 14CFR that <BR>
deal with NASA, and found nothing else applicable.<BR>
<BR>
However, I found out that goods brought in from space aren't subject to <BR>
Duty... (14CFR 1217).  Now if only I had a Beowulf handy.... :)<BR>
<BR>
           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
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- --<BR>
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:08:08 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: A Day of Peace<BR>
<BR>
>From: Craig Berry <cberry@cinenet.net><BR>
<BR>
>Or for a cheesier but also interesting take, the<BR>
> original Trek episode featuring "the Red Hour" <BR>
>(shame on me, can't remember the title...god,I'm<BR>
>slipping already). <BR>
<BR>
I don't remember the title either (but hey, I'm in my<BR>
40s now and I'm ok with not remembering stuff and<BR>
having to wear glasses), but I recall that in either<BR>
the Traveller Book or the Traveller Adventure,<BR>
Rethe/Aramis (or is it Rethe/Regina?  see,<BR>
Altzheimer's is already setting in) has an annual<BR>
three-day holiday called "Festival" in which anything<BR>
goes.  Then they return to their very strictly<BR>
controlled lifestyle.  That conjures up for me the<BR>
image of the nice local boy in the Star Trek episode<BR>
lunging up to the landing party and screaming,<BR>
"Festival! Festival!"<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 17:56:44 -0600<BR>
From: Eris reddoch <eris@pcola.gulf.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Niven Books<BR>
<BR>
Leonard Erickson wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> > At 03:00 PM 11/1/1999 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
> >>Hi all.  A little late on this, but I thought I'd note that Niven's latest<BR>
> >>book, "Destiny's Road", takes place in the same universe as "The Integral<BR>
> >>Trees", "The Smoke Ring" and "A World Out of Time".  DR is a pretty good<BR>
> >>book, too!  Not his best, but with Niven that still puts it way ahead of<BR>
> >>most of the crap out there.<BR>
<BR>
> > Actually, we don't know if Destiny's Road (or it's two bretheren stories<BR>
> > Legacy of Heorot and Beowulf's Children) are set in the State.  For one<BR>
> > thing, the colonists in LoH used cold sleep to get to Tau Ceti, with some<BR>
> > severe side effects, something that what's his name in AWooT didn't have to<BR>
> > deal with.<BR>
<BR>
This one started off as a Niven, Pournelle & Barnes series, and I'm<BR>
pretty sure not in any of their previous individual or collaborative<BR>
universes. <BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 20:33:05 -0500<BR>
From: otter@labyrinth.net<BR>
Subject: Re:[OT] One Day in Peace 2<BR>
<BR>
Robert Prior writes:<BR>
<snip><BR>
K'kree? Paint? Stomp them into the ground.  (Parenthetically, the first<BR>
time I see an animal rights type throw paint on the leather jacket of a<BR>
biker, because they oppose killing animals for clothing, I'll conceed that<BR>
they are serious about their beliefs.)<BR>
</snip><BR>
<BR>
OT:  Not all "animal rights types" are paint throwers.  Some of us simply<BR>
believe that animals, like humans, have the capacity to feel pain, and that<BR>
insofar as one can avoid it, it might be nice not to inflict it on them.<BR>
Neither myself nor anyone with whom I choose to associate would dream of<BR>
tossing paint at someone wearing fur, leather, or an aluminum-foil helmet<BR>
bedecked with antlers.  For that matter, I don't preach to my<BR>
carnivorous/leather-clad friends, including my wife, who would probably<BR>
choose to personally chase down and kill her own wildebeests rather than<BR>
adhere to my diet.  I consider my choices to be my responsibility, and<BR>
while I'd certainly like to see other people choose the same things I do, I<BR>
learned (fairly late in life) that I haven't a lot of control over that<BR>
sort of thing. This doesn't make me any the less "serious" about avoiding<BR>
cruelty, I don't think.  There are responses to ethical values other than<BR>
promotion... instantiation, for instance.  One can promote peace by<BR>
launching surgical strikes against nations that would wage long and bloody<BR>
wars with their neighbors, or one can instantiate peace by living<BR>
peacefully.  Sort of the difference between the Policeman of Democracy and<BR>
your local Quakers.  Anywho, sorry about the long OT... occasionally though<BR>
I have to speak up when people assume I'm a hypocritical fruitcake because<BR>
I don't want to eat a steak.  I'm a hypocritical fruitcake for other<BR>
reasons entirely.  ;)<BR>
<BR>
Otter Driver<BR>
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:43:57 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re:  UFO contact illegal?<BR>
<BR>
>From: Loren Wiseman <lkw@io.com><BR>
>Subject: UFO contact illegal?Gentle beings:<BR>
<BR>
>I assume we have someone on the TML who is acquainted<BR>
> with legal web searches and government regulations<BR>
> who can track this down for us?<BR>
>This was recently sent to Steve Jackson:<BR>
<BR>
The article refers to Title 14, section 1211, of the<BR>
Code of Federal Regulations (which would be cited as<BR>
14 C.F.R. sec. 1211).  I looked for 14 C.F.R. sec.<BR>
1211 on the web, and found that it is a reserved<BR>
section -- that is, there is no section there now, but<BR>
they want to leave that number free to put in a<BR>
regulation in the future.  I was not able to look as<BR>
far back as 1969, the purported date when that<BR>
regulation was promulgated.<BR>
<BR>
14 C.F.R. secs. 1200-1299 regulate NASA.  Section 1211<BR>
comes between section 1210, "Development work for<BR>
industry in NASA wind tunnels," and section 1212,<BR>
"Privacy Act-NASA regulations."  <BR>
<BR>
The table of contents for title 14 follows at the end<BR>
of this message, edited by me for format (that is,<BR>
page numbers and dots deleted).<BR>
<BR>
If I can be of further assistance, please email me<BR>
directly at gmgoffin@yahoo.com.<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn M. Goffin, Esq.<BR>
<BR>
[Title 14, Volume 5, Parts 1200 to end]<BR>
[Revised as of January 1, 1998]<BR>
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO<BR>
Access[CITE: 14CFR1211]<BR>
[Page 75]                      <BR>
TITLE 14--AERONAUTICS AND SPACE<BR>
CHAPTER V--NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE<BR>
ADMINISTRATION <BR>
PART 1211  [RESERVED]<BR>
<BR>
[Title 14, Volume 5, Parts 1200 to end]<BR>
[Revised as of January 1, 1998]<BR>
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO<BR>
Access[CITE: 14CFR][Page 3-4]<BR>
TITLE 14--AERONAUTICS AND SPACE<BR>
CHAPTER V--NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE<BR>
ADMINISTRATION<BR>
1200 [Reserved]<BR>
1201 Statement of organization and general information<BR>
1203 Information Security Program<BR>
1203a NASA security areas<BR>
1203b Security programs; arrest authority and use of<BR>
force by NASA security force personnel<BR>
1204  Administrative authority and policy<BR>
1205 [Reserved]<BR>
1206 Availability of agency records to members of the<BR>
public<BR>
1207 Standards of conduct<BR>
1208 Uniform relocation assistance and real property<BR>
acquisition for Federal and federally-assisted<BR>
programs<BR>
1209 Boards and committees<BR>
1210 Development work for industry in NASA wind<BR>
tunnels<BR>
1211 [Reserved]<BR>
1212 Privacy Act-NASA regulations<BR>
1213 Release of information to news and information<BR>
media<BR>
1214 Space Shuttle<BR>
1215 Tracking and Data Relay Satellite System (TDRSS)<BR>
1216 Environmental quality<BR>
1217 Duty-free entry of space articles<BR>
1221 The NASA seal and other devices, and the<BR>
Congressional Space Medal of Honor<BR>
1230 Protection of human subjects<BR>
1232 Care and use of animals in the conduct of NASA<BR>
activities<BR>
1240 Inventions and contributions<BR>
1241 [Reserved]<BR>
1245 Patents and other intellectual property rights<BR>
1250 Nondiscrimination in federally-assisted programs<BR>
of NASA--effectuation of Title VI of the Civil Rights<BR>
Act of 1964<BR>
1251 Nondiscrimination on basis of handicap<BR>
1252 Nondiscrimination on the basis of age in programs<BR>
and activities receiving Federal financial assistance<BR>
1259 National space grant college and fellowship<BR>
program<BR>
1260 Grants and cooperative agreements<BR>
1261 Processing of monetary claims (general)<BR>
1262 Equal Access to Justice Act in agency proceedings<BR>
1263 Demand for information or testimony served on<BR>
agency employees; procedures<BR>
1264 Implementation of the Program Fraud Civil<BR>
Penalties Act of 1986<BR>
1265 Governmentwide debarment and suspension<BR>
(nonprocurement) and governmentwide requirements for<BR>
drug-free workplace (grants)<BR>
1266 Cross-waiver of liability<BR>
1271 New restrictions on lobbying<BR>
1273 Uniform administrative requirements for grants<BR>
and cooperative agreements to state and local<BR>
governments<BR>
1274 Cooperative agreements with commercial firms<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:19:39 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Taxation (off topic then back on topic)<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
>>Ob Trav:  It appears that schools and universities are generally<BR>
>>free in the OTU as well.  Otherwise, PC's would have the strong<BR>
>>possibility of having outstanding loans after graduating.  Frankly,<BR>
>>I think, a lot of us play the medical system as being pretty much<BR>
>>free as well.  When's the last time you asked a PC for an insurance<BR>
>>card or denied them medical care until they paid, or showed that<BR>
>>they could pay for the care? <g><BR>
><BR>
> I've let them die in the street on one planet, then assessed the estate for<BR>
> cleaning fees (to get the blood out of the concrete). A _really_ nasty<BR>
> trick is a planet where _everything_ is user-pay, right down to asking<BR>
> directions (and that should have been a clue that medical care wouldn't be<BR>
> provided on credit...).<BR>
<BR>
A nice touch for such a planet might be that nothing s "illegal" per<BR>
se. It's just that there's a fine/fee for doing it. With some things<BR>
carrying *really* high fees.<BR>
<BR>
You killed someone in a bar fight? Ok, let's see what he was worth (to<BR>
his family/employer/whatever). <BR>
<BR>
Ah! That deader was out of work, and almost out of cash, with no family<BR>
or friends on record. You are fined for leaving the body laying around<BR>
instead of tossing it into the *appropriate* dumpster[1]. 10 credits<BR>
please.<BR>
<BR>
Tsk, tsk. This fellow over here, whose jaw you broke? He's a highly<BR>
skilled Space traffic controller, and it's going to cost 1000 credits a<BR>
*day* to replace him while he recovers. You are assessed double that<BR>
(various handling fees & penalties). <BR>
<BR>
[1]the idea of specific dumpsters for tossing *unimportant* dead bodies<BR>
(human, animal, or alien) in ought to properly boggle some players.<BR>
<BR>
Oh yeah, if they don't check the regs, you can later gig them for<BR>
"improper use" of such a dumpster for not properly bagging and sealing<BR>
the body into the standard "body bag". Don't forget to charge them for<BR>
the time of the lab techs that got the forensic evidence that IDed<BR>
them, and any other costs associated with tracking them down and<BR>
billing them for it.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 17:55:43 -0800<BR>
From: Jesse DeGraff <jdegraff@pacbell.net><BR>
Subject: Re: UFO contact illegal?<BR>
<BR>
Now, does it just "say" reserved 'cause it's really there in the law books<BR>
that the Gov'mint keeps?<BR>
<BR>
Jesse ;)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<major snip of Glenn's research><BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:04:18 -0500<BR>
From: "Terry Carlino" <carlino@home.com><BR>
Subject: Re: triste dia<BR>
<BR>
> A try for an ObTrav:<BR>
> Famous poets of the Imperium?, Influence of poets and writers in the<BR>
> Imperial culture?, What would be the support of the Imperial Authorities<BR>
to<BR>
> exiled Solomani poets? (Poets who criticized the idea of Solomani<BR>
> superiority)<BR>
<BR>
I would remind all that the Worlds orbiting Darida (Lusor's far companion)<BR>
are named in the Vilani language for famous Vilani authors. Lusor is<BR>
Regina's sun. I would be surprised if there isn't at least one of them who<BR>
was a poet.<BR>
<BR>
Terry C<BR>
<BR>
All that is Gold does not glitter<BR>
Not all who travel are lost<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 18:13:17 -0800<BR>
From: Jesse DeGraff <jdegraff@pacbell.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Taxation (off topic then back on topic)<BR>
<BR>
Ohhh, that is TWISTED!  I LOVE it!!!!!!<BR>
<BR>
Jesse >:)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>A nice touch for such a planet might be that nothing s "illegal" per<BR>
>se. It's just that there's a fine/fee for doing it. With some things<BR>
>carrying *really* high fees.<BR>
><BR>
>You killed someone in a bar fight? Ok, let's see what he was worth (to<BR>
>his family/employer/whatever). <BR>
><BR>
>Ah! That deader was out of work, and almost out of cash, with no family<BR>
>or friends on record. You are fined for leaving the body laying around<BR>
>instead of tossing it into the *appropriate* dumpster[1]. 10 credits<BR>
>please.<BR>
><BR>
>Tsk, tsk. This fellow over here, whose jaw you broke? He's a highly<BR>
>skilled Space traffic controller, and it's going to cost 1000 credits a<BR>
>*day* to replace him while he recovers. You are assessed double that<BR>
>(various handling fees & penalties). <BR>
><BR>
>[1]the idea of specific dumpsters for tossing *unimportant* dead bodies<BR>
>(human, animal, or alien) in ought to properly boggle some players.<BR>
><BR>
>Oh yeah, if they don't check the regs, you can later gig them for<BR>
>"improper use" of such a dumpster for not properly bagging and sealing<BR>
>the body into the standard "body bag". Don't forget to charge them for<BR>
>the time of the lab techs that got the forensic evidence that IDed<BR>
>them, and any other costs associated with tracking them down and<BR>
>billing them for it.<BR>
><BR>
>-- <BR>
>Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
> shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
>leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 20:16:15 -0600<BR>
From: Dan Roseberry <rosebee@troi.csw.net><BR>
Subject: [ot] One Day in Peace<BR>
<BR>
Robert Prior wrote:<BR>
>Comrade Hudson, our infiltration of the evil capitalist propaganda<BR>
machine<BR>
>is vorking. Zoon it vill be time for our zecret pre-emptive<BR>
counterattack...<BR>
<BR>
>And zey zuspect not'ing....<BR>
<BR>
Can Moose and Squirrel be far behind?<BR>
                     -OR-<BR>
Mr Peabody is a Psychohistorian!<BR>
<BR>
Dan Roseberry (plop101) the quick and dirty post QDP.<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 20:32:17 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Outdated Science Fiction (was: Re: A Day of Peace)<BR>
<BR>
Glenn Goffin wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> >From: Craig Berry <cberry@cinenet.net><BR>
> <BR>
> >Or for a cheesier but also interesting take, the<BR>
> > original Trek episode featuring "the Red Hour"<BR>
> >(shame on me, can't remember the title...god,I'm<BR>
> >slipping already).<BR>
> <BR>
> I don't remember the title either<BR>
<BR>
"Return of the Archons", IIRC.<BR>
<BR>
<<snip>><BR>
<BR>
ObTrav:  What would science fiction in the 3I look like?  And how<BR>
quickly would a given work of science fiction become technically<BR>
obsolete (assuming that said SF work was written based on extrapolation<BR>
of then-known science, plus plausible handwaves)?  For instance, most<BR>
pre-1980 science fiction became technically obsolete with the<BR>
introduction and spread of ever-more-powerful personal computers, which<BR>
really (in Traveller terms) is an intra-Tech Level event.<BR>
<BR>
What is the likely time period in the 3I for technological evolution<BR>
that doesn't reach TL elevation, but still impacts significantly on the<BR>
society?<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
<BR>
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